Forum: Uniforms/Field Gear
Topic: Soviet Uniforms & Field Gear
started by: Panzerknacker43

Posted by Panzerknacker43 on Jun. 29 2009,11:10
Here is a great site for Soviet uniform guidelines.  If you have any questions check here or feel free to email/pm me.  I would like to have our unit buying decent gear the first time, instead of something postwar first.  It saves money in the long run.  Also we may know of a better place to get something, and there are always lots of items floating around the unit for sale.

< UNIFORMS >

< FIELD GEAR >

The best places to obtain this stuff are from:

< Trident >

< Ostfront >

< Collect Russia >

But check with me first, we might have some stuff for a better deal than these places.


Tom

Posted by andre on Jun. 29 2009,12:23
Sweet site. Those folks are serious as cancer about their uniforms, dang. No partisans in that lot. ???

Check out the Collect Russia  site they've got better prices then Trident . I'll probably pick some stuff up from them in the near future.

Posted by Panzerknacker43 on Jul. 01 2009,23:29
Thanks to whoever moved this!

Tom

Posted by ba64 on Dec. 20 2009,21:19
I have alot of gold colored Soviet shirt buttons and some large gold Soviet coat buttons. 50 cents will get you enough to do a shirt and if you don't like the gold color, you can paint them "Pea Green".
Posted by kalbs on Dec. 30 2009,20:07
I'm trying to put together a Soviet impression but don't really know much about their uniforms and gear.  This post is very helpful.

On the equipment page it says a czech M53 helmet will work if painted the correct color, what is the color code or can you suggest a Tamiya color to match?

I have 4 helmet like these, will they work if repainted with the strap changed?


Posted by Panzerknacker43 on Dec. 30 2009,20:24
I would say that those would work, it looks like they have the high rivets on them, so they are most similar to the SSh-39 model, which works for the whole war.  I would say leave them as is as far as paint is concerned.  One of the closest to the common russian green I have found is Testor's medium green (I think, I'll try to find the spray can I have and let you know for sure.)

For the chinstraps they should be cloth.  Its up to you if  you want to redo the liners on them or not.

Believe it or not wikipedia actually has some decent info and pics on the Soviet helmets.  < soviet helmets >

Hope this helps.

Tom

Posted by kalbs on Dec. 30 2009,20:47
Thanks Tom, I picked the 4 up from eBay for $51.00.  I have no idea on their size, I just hope one fits my big head.  I will change the straps but leave the liners alone for now.  If the color is close enough then I'll keep it.  I like the worn look.

My intial thought was that Russian gear and uniforms would be cheaper than german... I's not at all.

Posted by Panzerknacker43 on Dec. 31 2009,16:04
Are there any stampings or markings on the inside of the shell?  I think there is a number on the stampings that tell what size it is and a year.  It would be either a 1,2,or 3 1 being the smallest.

Tom

Posted by kalbs on Jan. 09 2010,01:02

(Panzerknacker43 @ Jan. 01 2010,00:04)
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Are there any stampings or markings on the inside of the shell?  I think there is a number on the stampings that tell what size it is and a year.  It would be either a 1,2,or 3 1 being the smallest.

Tom

There are both metal stamps and ink stampings on the inside of all my (4) M53 czech helmets.  All ink stamps have a set of cross sword stamps below above or beside the number.  Ink stamps at the front, metal stamps at the rear.

Helmet 1: ink stamp 38, metal stamp 18 (looks like an "8")
Helmet 2: ink stamp 2/55, metal stamp 8
Helmet 3: ink stamp 52, metal stamp 08
Helmet 4: ink stamp 2/57, metal stamp 08 (not sure about the "0", not stamped well.)

All shells measure to be the same size, 293mm from front rim to back rim and 250mm side to side.  Helmet 1's liner looks noticably smaller than the others.

Helmet 1 does not fit me at all.  I'm normally a 60 size but all others fit with the 55 (Helmet 2) fitting the best.  Also Helmet 2 shell metal seems more heavier duty than the others.  Color on all is a soviet olive green (looks good to me).  I'll chock up the weird sizes to Eastern block QC standards I guess.

Posted by Oberst Von Luger AKA SirVeilance on Jan. 14 2010,02:38
Is any of this stuff WW2 and are the prices any good?

< http://www.soviet-power.com/index.php >

I think this helmet is...at least they list it as WW2 ???

< http://www.soviet-power.com/detail.php?pid=458 >

Posted by Oberst Von Luger AKA SirVeilance on Jan. 14 2010,17:36
My latest Sportsmans Guide Surplus catalog had these!

< http://shop.sportsmansguide.com/net....=604880 >

No size choice though on the helmet :(

And these....

< http://shop.sportsmansguide.com/net....=604882 >

< http://shop.sportsmansguide.com/net....=604883 >

What do you Commie's think :;):

Posted by Snoman120 on Jan. 14 2010,19:57
The belt is (very) late war, to the best of my knowledge the helmet shell and canteen look fine though. Though who knows about the liner.
Posted by Panzerknacker43 on Jan. 14 2010,20:36
The soviet-power stuff doesn't look too good, except for the ww2 type pilotka might be okay, but its 10 plus 15 for shippings, so I wouldn't get anything from there.  

The sportmansguide helmets look okay, it has the low rivets on the liner, so it is surely a postwar liner, but who knows.  The belts are crap, not ww2.  The canteen looks okay, but i guarantee it has a 1980s date on the bottom of it.  The carrier looks a little goofy to me, but otherwise they didn't really change from ww2 all that much.  Thanks for posting these finds.

Tom

Posted by Oberst Von Luger AKA SirVeilance on Jan. 15 2010,07:44
Thanks for the info. I'm not that up on the Soviet gear, but thought if it was correct and a good price, I'd buy it. But I'll save my money and wait till I have at least ordered a Soviet weapon.

If I knew what size the helmet was I'd order it anyway, but I have bought two un-sized helmets from The Sportsmans Guide before and both were way too small :angry:

Posted by Shuzensky on Jan. 15 2010,11:07
The ssh40 should have the three pad liner (horse hair) and 6 rivets. The leather spider web liner is what is found in most post war, lower end helmets. There is a distinct shape difference between the later models too. (A Tighter shape with tighter lips on the front and the sides.)
The sizes come in a 1, 2, or a 3 and meant to be worn over the politka. The helmet I own is like this and it is dated in 1948, so post war, but yet the same specs.

Three Pad liner-



Below, the latter two, are a lot that you'll find on ebay at a cheaper price, under $30-50. I learned this lesson the hard way and currently also own the Czech one in the middle. I bought it for a total of $25 ($10 shipping) from Ebay last spring.

"A comparative look at the Soviet SSh-40, Czech Model 1953 and
Hungarian Model 1973 which shows that, beyond the obvious
differences in liners and rivet placement, the helmets possess subtle
differences in the shape of the steel shells."



The post war canteens are green with the cap that has five (wider) ribs. ($10-20)  (Your Sportmans guide link) I agree with Panzerknacker that they are surely dated late and not specifically WWII as advertised. It's Cold War.

The true dated canteens had the screw cap that has six "skinny" ribs. They are about $40-50 and up for each, but can easily be found. There is also the pre-war glass type with a cork.



Ostfront has dented and dirty post war canteens for around $15-20. That is what I bought. I had to do some serious canteen cleaning (sediment removal), but I am happy with my results. For myself, I may opt to up my impression in the future and get the true original canteen someday.

Posted by Udo_Schaaf on Jan. 15 2010,13:18
Nice helmet post!  I'm in the market for a better canteen at some point too.  I see them in good condition selling for upwards of $80.  Ouch.

I'd like to see the Soviets rock more helmets during games.    If I were in actual combat, I'd want to be wearing one.



Posted by Snoman120 on Jan. 15 2010,15:21
I just adjusted the liner on mine, and found it much more comfortable, so I plan on using that in the future. Mine is Czech with a converted liner and chin strap, it looks fairly close though...
Posted by kalbs on Jan. 15 2010,18:26
I've looked for replacement chin straps for my Czech helmets but cannot find a source, any suggestions where to look?
Posted by Snoman120 on Jan. 15 2010,18:42
Mine actually just has Russian equipment straps for a chinstrap.
Posted by ba64 on Mar. 27 2015,21:07
In 3 weeks I head for Newville, PA. for an event that has a great military flea market. In the past I have bought $15.00 Russian canteens with covers and other gear related items. If there are Russian WW 2 or good post war items to be had... Let me know soon what I should keep my eyes open for. Every Russian should have at least 1-canteen, mess kit , rain cape/shelter half and shovel for a Ostwind event.
Posted by El_Phantasamo on Mar. 30 2015,17:24

(ba64 @ Mar. 27 2015,21:07)
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In 3 weeks I head for Newville, PA. for an event that has a great military flea market. In the past I have bought $15.00 Russian canteens with covers and other gear related items. If there are Russian WW 2 or good post war items to be had... Let me know soon what I should keep my eyes open for. Every Russian should have at least 1-canteen, mess kit , rain cape/shelter half and shovel for a Ostwind event.

I'm going to need, everything.
Posted by andre on Mar. 31 2015,03:27

(El_Phantasamo @ Mar. 30 2015,17:24)
QUOTE
I'm going to need, everything.

One kitchen sink coming right up. :laugh:
Posted by Ersatzjack on Mar. 31 2015,12:58
I'll supply a razor and don't forget to save some money for the tripod.
Posted by ba64 on Mar. 31 2015,17:38
We could have a M.O.A. field trip to the Twin Cities to shop at The Sportsmen Guide and that great little airsoft store near Big Lake.
Posted by Aldrich on Apr. 05 2015,22:21
If you come across a WWII Russian helmet, or gas mask bag, I will gladly take them off your hands.
Posted by Aldrich on Apr. 05 2015,22:35
make that just a helmet, found a bag on ebay.
Posted by El_Phantasamo on Apr. 05 2015,23:21

(Ersatzjack @ Mar. 31 2015,12:58)
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I'll supply a razor and don't forget to save some money for the tripod.

About that..

1) I shave with a straight razor thats probably older than you.

2) I e-mailed your brother about the tripod, I hope it fits in my transit chest.

Posted by Aldrich on Apr. 06 2015,12:45
Puttees.  If you find any puttees that would be ok for a Russian impression pick me up a pair.  So for me, helmet and Puttees.  Though if between the two, I would rather have the puttees.
Posted by ba64 on Apr. 12 2015,14:32
Can do!
I will be sure not to go above the Hiki Shop or Trident prices for items. With my trip out east you'll get free shipping on all orders above 1 cent.

Posted by ba64 on Apr. 27 2015,20:28
List of Russian gear picked up and for sale:

2 - pairs of OD wool Putees $5.00 home made & $10.00 commercial.
2 - German style mess kits $10.00 each.
1 - Pot style mess kit with Russian spoon $12.00
2 - Entrenching shovels Pre WW2 $12.00 & Post WW2 $10.00
2 - Twin ammo pouches post war pebble finish $3.00 each.
1 - Russian Canteen with cover, post war $15.00
2 - Gas mask bags, post war $10.00 each.
1 - Pilotka side cap size: 58 with red star $15.00
1 - Helmet, Czech post war to convert liner to M1940 style $20.00
1 - Knapsack, Czech style to convert to Russian M1939 $15.00

Posted by Aldrich on Apr. 29 2015,08:20
Sounds like it was a good trip!  Hopefully people will scoop these up.  El Phantasmo, while browsing the internet the other day I came across this reference for early war WWII Russian machine gunners I thought you would find useful:



You wouldn't need the DP or ammo can since you have the mg42 but the rest of the impression should more or less be the same.

..... or you could always go German, that works too  :;):

Posted by ba64 on Sep. 16 2015,18:35
Today I bought another $3.00 Russian twin ammo pouch with the pebble finish. These pouches work very well for dead rag storage on one side and use the other side for a small first aid kit, toilet paper or compass. I will be using one of the 7 pouches that I have for Ostwind 2016. I have three for sale $3.00 each.
I will be going to Rockford, IL. in 2 weeks for a WW 2 event that has a lot of vendors. I can keep my eye out for Soviet gear that will be needed for the May Ostwind 2016 event. Let me know if you are in need of some field gear.

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