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PostIcon Posted on: Jul. 16 2008,12:39  Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

The question came up as to what uniform we need to wear as Hetzer crew for the 103.Panzer-Abteilung or the 103.Panzer-Aufkalrung-Abteilung.

Here is some background.  I think we have Hetzers in the Panzer-Jager Bn along with a company of Jagdpanzer IV's.  But I have a request out for more info.  Karl had found this info earlier in the Tiger topic but didn't list his source.

Anyway - look below:

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BACKGROUND: The black Panzer Wrap tunic was originally introduced by the army on November 12TH 1934, for wear by armored vehicle personnel and was worn through-out the war with minor modifications in 1936 and 1942. Allegedly Chief of the motorized troops, Oberst Heinz Guderian came up with the coloration and design of the form fitting uniform which he based on a popular ski outfit of the time. Black was chosen as the color as it help conceal the grease and grime commonly encountered by motorized personnel. Officers and certain senior NCO ranks were responsible for purchasing their own uniforms and as a result were allotted a clothing allowance through the army’s Kleiderkasse, (Clothing Account), system. The Officers and certain senior NCO’s could choose to purchase their uniforms from the armed forces clothing depots or to privately purchase garments of higher quality. Although enlisted personnel were issued their uniforms from government supplies they were also permitted to purchase privately tailored uniforms although the price may have been restrictive. The different branches of service within the army were allocated a specific, identifying, waffenfarbe, (Branch of Service Color), with pink being chosen for Panzer, (Armored), personnel. Of Note: The general waffenfarbe for all armored units was pink although other colors were utilized including red for armored artillery units, golden yellow for armored reconnaissance units and the 24TH Panzer Division, lemon yellow for armored signals units and, for a short time, alternating black and white for armored engineer units. On the field blouse, service tunic and Panzer wrap tunic the waffenfarbe was generally displayed on the shoulder straps/boards and the collar tabs. Originally the Panzer wrap tunics also utilized the waffenfarbe as piping on the forward edge of the collar until regulations of mid-1942 abolished the use of the collar piping and instructed it to be removed from the tunics, although the directive was not strictly adhered to.

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BACKGROUND: Development of self-propelled assault artillery to support the infantry in a close fire support role began in the late 1930's and continued through-out the war. With the development of these new weapons it was decided that crew personnel would require a uniform designed specifically for wear in the close constrains of their vehicles. The black panzer wrap uniform had proven practical in the confines of tanks, but it was determined that the color was too conspicuous for use while performing the close support role as the assault gunners were quite often required to leave their vehicles for observation within close range and view of the enemy. This consideration led to the introduction of the field-grey Sturmartillerie, (Assault Artillery), uniform on May 29TH 1940, with the same design and cut of the black panzer wrap uniform. Originally test examples of the Sturmartillerie uniform were manufactured with a blue/green collar which was altered to a field-grey collar by the time of its official introduction. The field-grey assault artillery wrap tunic remained the same through-out the war. Officers and certain senior NCO ranks were responsible for purchasing their own uniforms and as a result were allotted a clothing allowance through the army’s Kleiderkasse, (Clothing Account), system. The Officers and certain senior NCO’s could choose to purchase their uniforms from the armed forces clothing depots or to privately purchase garments of higher quality. Although enlisted personnel were issued their uniforms from government supplies they were also permitted to purchase privately tailored uniforms although the price may have been restrictive. The different branches of service within the army were allocated a specific, identifying, waffenfarbe, (Branch of Service Color), with bright red being chosen for all Artillerie, (Artillery), personnel including Sturmartillerie, (Assault Artillery), personnel. On the field blouse, service tunic and assault wrap tunic the waffenfarbe was generally displayed on the shoulder straps/boards and the collar tabs. This example is manufactured in the distinctive field-grey 44 material as introduced in the autumn of 1944, which is a considerably more olive/brown coloration then the earlier field-grey color.

Right now I'm leaning towards black.  But I could be swayed since I prefer the brown.  :)

My source :  http://www.germanmilitaria.com/Galleries/Uniforms.html


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If the Panzerjaeger were part of the 3 PZGR I'm fairly sure they would have worn gray wraps.  If they were part of a Panzer division, they would have worn black.
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This Site, which is from Germany, has an outline of the 3rd Inf. Div. and is almost the same as Neo's post in the Heer Media Section.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Glieder....GR8.htm

As far as I have read, in Italy, the majority of tanks in the 3rd Panzergrenadier Div. were StuG's, thus the Field-Grey Jackets would have been issued, or for in Italy, a summer serviceshirt. :)
Around the 16th of December 1944 the 3rd Pz.Gr.Div. had around 40 StuG's and about 20 to 25 Jagdpanzers. This does not mean they were operation mine you.
The Hetzer was introduced late in the war, May of 1944, with only a few hundred ever made. So in my educated opinion, besides the fact most Hetzer crews wore the Grey jacket, I would recommed the Field-Grey. :cool:


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I'm just going to bring my books with my in August so you guys can see them first hand!

No sense in doing any more shoddy scan jobs  :laugh:

For uniforms, you'd want the gray assault gun wrap.


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That settles it for me.  You have Neoptolemus, Wellnitz, and Udo all chiming in for field grey assault wraps.  I believe the grey vs. black controversy is all but solved.

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